奅邕 發問時間: 社會與文化語言 · 8 年前

請問英語童謠Old King Cole內的一句文法

在下面童謠歌詞中

Old King Cole was a merry old soul,

And a merry old soul was he;

He called for his pipe,

And he called for his bowl,

And he called for his fiddlers three.

Every fiddler had a fiddle,

And a very fine fiddle had he.

Tweedle dee, tweedle dee,

Tweedle dee, tweedle dee,

Tweedle dee, tweedle dee,

Went the fiddlers three,

Oh there's none so rare

As can compare,

With King Cole and his fiddlers three.

最後一個句子雖然懂它想要表達的意思,但是文法和邏輯上實在想不通。

1. 首先遇到『 so ... as ... 』頭就開始暈了,這個片語到底有幾種用法與意思?

so 及 as 又是什麼詞性?

2. 好像根本把 so rare as 這三個字拿掉,語義更清晰。

There's none (who) can compare with King Cole ....。

但是如果不加上 who ,文法又不對。如果不拿掉這三個字,文法就通了嗎?但語義呢?既然已經『無人可比(none)』,那麼,還加上『很少(rare)』,豈不負負得正,就是說『幾乎每個人都能跟他比』???

3. 句子中,看來 Old King Cole 也有一把上好的fiddle,而且最後一句,顯然他也演奏的不錯(因為他與fiddlers three一起被評比),那麼,倒數第二句好像tweedle dee 又只有fiddlers three在演奏(因為是:went the fiddlers three)???

雖然本人知道童謠很多不合理,也為了某些原因不合語法,但,仍希望請教高人,是否有什麼特殊看法!!如蒙賜教,不勝感激!!

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對不起,又打擾各位先進了,(有些部份您們並沒回答啊......)

1. rare 本來就是:『稀有的,罕見的』的意思啊,跟『稀罕』沒差別啊?

2. so 及 as 是什麼詞性呢?so 是副詞,as 是代名詞嗎?

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3. 若比較 There's none who can compare with King Cole and his fiddlers three.

與 There's none so rare who can compare with King Cole and his fiddlers three. 這兩句,文法對嗎?若對,那麼第一句比較與原意近似,第二句比較與原結構近似;在不衝突的情況下,實際上,rare 並不具否定的意思對嗎?

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4. so as can = so...that..can,那麼

There's none so rare that they can 『compare』with King...

There's none so rare that can 『compare』with King...

There's none so rare 『that they』can be compared with King...

There's none so rare 『that』can be compared with King...,四句都對嗎?

請原諒我的囉唆,純興趣,呵呵!

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  • 8 年前
    最佳解答

    rare 這裏翻譯成『稀罕』才正確

    整句

    there's none so rare /As can compare, / With King Cole and his fiddlers three.

    沒有樂團這麼稀罕,能夠和 King Cole 他的三人提琴隊相比。

    (King Cole 小組樂隊是最稀罕,最少見,最特別的。)

    so rare as can compare

    比較常用的句型 so as can = so...that..can

    there's none so rare that they can be compared with King Cole...

    2012-07-19 17:37:51 補充:

    你的邏輯不錯,應該 fiddlers four - 總共4個提琴手

    但是兒歌要強調 King Cole and his fiddlers three. 1. 主角 King Cole 凸顯。 2. three 和上面的 dee 押韻。 為了押韻 刻意把 three fiddlers 倒裝為 fiddlers three.

    後面的音樂究竟是 3 還是 4 把提琴合奏,不是這個兒歌的重點。重點是要唱順押韻。有個印象提琴合奏即可...

    2012-07-22 15:48:35 補充:

    1. 3. rare 在此和一般形容詞(precious; grotesque)無異,沒有否定意思。版大是和其副詞把 rarely (幾乎不 == 才有否定意味)混餚了。

    4. so...that (如此...以致...) 的句型,記得後面是 that 【子句】,一定要有主詞,所以你的 2,4 句無主詞是錯的,1和3正確。版大把這種句型和 that = which 關係代名詞的情況,搞混了。

    2012-07-22 15:59:35 補充:

    2. as 的用法太多,建議版大一一檢視。我並不刻意去記它在這種情況是什麼詞,只是看到這種句型立刻代換成有主詞的 so...that... (有人討論過 as 可以當作關係代名詞,勉強解釋得通。但因為九彎十八拐,我嫌麻煩,就用背的。)

    2012-07-22 16:05:37 補充:

    最後補充: so as can... 並不是常用句型,也不是正統英文。但是大家都看得懂。

    CORPUS OF CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN ENGLISH 裡找不到 "so rare as can" 的用法。

    2012-07-22 16:46:20 補充:

    as 勉強可解釋為"連接詞" so rare as(and) can

    --但是這種非正式英語實在不適合使用正規軍的文法去解析

    慎重起見,我已去函給文法大師 Louis,他可能會過來指導一下。

  • 8 年前

    Oh there's none so rare

    As can compare,

    這裡的so和as是個自獨立的,不是片語

    兒歌(很多流行歌也是)的文法你如果細究,

    就既押不了韻,也簡短不起來, 當然也就無法朗朗上口。

    2012-07-19 19:17:06 補充:

    Oh there's none so rare. As can compare

    It means there is no-one exactly like Old King Cole and his three fiddlers. They are unique.

    2012-07-21 21:15:02 補充:

    若比較There's none who can compare with King Cole and his fiddlers three.

    與 There's none so rare who can compare with King Cole and his fiddlers three. 這兩句,文法對嗎?若對,那麼第一句比較與原意近似,第二句比較與原結構近似;在不衝突的情況下,實際上,rare 並不具否定的意思對嗎?

    rare沒有否定之意

    2012-07-21 21:24:03 補充:

    There's none so rare that they can 『compare』with King... O

    There's none so rare that can 『compare』with King... X

    There's none so rare 『that they』can be compared with King... O

    There's none so rare 『that』can be compared with King X

    SO....THAT句型中,that + 子句,也就是that後方的子句要有主詞動詞,故二、四句有誤

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